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Portsmouth F.C. - They're Not The Victims

You would think that the Blue few would count themselves lucky, 140 million + debt, relegation from the Premier League, and the small addition of administration.

Not sure what`s so lucky about that? Perhaps the fact that Portsmouth have somehow not only remained afloat but kept together a strong squad, not to mention managed to remain in existence should be considered the luckiest of escapes.

But for Pompey fans they see this as 'victimisation`. So let's` look at just what they think is so victimising towards their club.

HMRC`s appeal against administration -

The most recent of actions by the HMRC against Pompey, it seems to me that the blue few have dismissed the idea that it is indeed a legal requirement to pay tax, and that the idea of their club being punished for this is wrong?

They seem to think that 20p in every pound is a wholly acceptable offer and that HMRC should therefore accept it with a thunderous applause. I for one would like to know why they believe a multi million pound business should avoid paying tax, whilst playing in the highest division in English football.

Why is that acceptable? That a football club playing in the highest tier of English football, making the money that they were making should avoid a national law, whilst we 'normal` people must pay our tax bills in full? What would the revenue say if you were to just phone them up and say 'how does 20% sound for you?`

Football clubs pay tax just like any other business, and those who fail to pay those taxes face the legal consequences. The very fact that Chester City football club went bust over a tax bill which was less than 0.1% of the money owed by Pompey?

That is not victimisation that`s evading justice.

Entering administration and incurring a 9pt deduction -

The second action put against the football club that for some reason is not fair on them according to the blue few.

I think they will find that it is very much fair, Leeds United, Leicester city, ourselves, Bournemouth, Luton, Rotherham and every other club that has ever entered administration, has had points deducted. It`s the law of the game.

And yet the skates still see this as unfair treatment on their 'do good` community club?

Maybe they should be thankful that the Premier League were kind enough to give them the deduction this year rather than carry it on into the championship, this is clearly victimisation of course.

The fact that they would be relegated anyway and therefore the deduction has had no effect is of course ignored.

Not only did they have every reason to lose those points, they lost them in the most redundant way possible, can someone explain how the Premier League is still victimising them?

Portsmouth fans need to face some reality, something they have failed to do over the last 18 months or so, perhaps what`s worse is that this 'were victims of a conspiracy` opinion from the blinded blue half has started to affect those outside they`re little bubble. The media and even some of our own fans have started to talk about how Portsmouth have been treated so badly.

So if you are ever tempted by this victim opinion put out by the fans of Portsmouth, just remember the small businesses who will lose out, just remember the football clubs who are no longer with us who have just failed to compete, remember the fact that they`re points deductions have done nothing compared to the punishments faced by so many honest clubs.

And to any Portsmouth fans out there -

If you think that your club are victims then think again, it is your club that built up this debt, not the Premier League and not the HMRC, and it is time many of you gained the humility and courage to admit that this mess is your fault.

Your club are not blameless at all in this, and be thankful that you even have a club because some people have lost theirs.

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Writer: Red Army Comrade Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday July 15 2010

Time: 7:03PM

Your Comments

Their club took a massive gamble when in the Prem. and it collapsed like a pack of cards. How they got themselves into such a pickle I just don't know, surely any accountant would ring the alarm bells ....... I don't like to see any club suffer (we went through the mill a few seasons ago) but they do appear to have self inflicted wounds here.
It would be an absolute travesty if this immoral and indefensible behaviour was not punished in the same way as every other club. The FL rules state that if a club has not come out of administration through an agreed CVA by the start of the season that they will be docked points. 17 to be exact. Just ask Bournemouth, Luton, and to an extent, Leeds UTD. You do the crime, you take the punishment that comes with it. Simple
Ouch. That is straight to the point and direct. I still think that the fans as always get the rough end of the stick in the same way as we did. We have been througbuck should be laid at the owners doors and people like Storrie and Redknap.h the wringer and squeezed dry so I can see where you are coming from. I still feel sorry for most of their fans as they will be hurting but for the club the
I think you'll find many Pompey fans accepted the points last season as the rules - likewise many believe we will get them this season too and 'true' fans will accept it. In accepting it, we don't have to like it - fans of all clubs receiving these deductions will moan in the same way that some of our fans have. The true fans would be just as happy to start a new club, devoid of the crooks and money-grabbers that have destroyed our club. If we started in the lower reaches, we would still support them, it is part of what being a supporter is. Pompey fans want their club back as much as any other fan wants theirs too - AA can moan all he wants, but he doesn't speak for us. As far as victimization goes, the HMRC will probably use Pompey as a test case to get image rights from every club (backdated for years too I imagine). In this regard, as there hasn't been an official tax for oversees players, the fans can contest the treatment of HMRC as being unfair. If this is where the real battleground is, then surely Pompey will be fighting on behalf of every club. Pompey has been poorly run, the fans do accept the penalties, but this action by HMRC all but guarantees us relegation. So be it, we'll just have to wait another year to rebuild - it really is out of our hands, we just have to support our team.
Talk about putting the boot in.... I think you'll find most Pompey fans will admit that what happened was wrong. Unfortunately it was the unscrupulous previous regime who were using our club as a vessel for their (note the correct spelling) wrongdoings. I think that had the fans been fully apprised of what was going on we would have demanded that all legal obligations were being met. However we were kept completely in the dark. The shady characters are all long gone, well apart from one which we are cetainly not happy about, but we as the fans have been left with the mess and the real possibility that our club could cease to exist as we know it. It's not "Portsmouth City Football Club" who have been treated unfairly - it's the fans. Now what else was I going to say? Oh yeah...... 4-1 in your own backyard.
USPF i have to say thank you for your reasoned reply. I know as a fan of a club just how much it hurts when things like this happen. The people responsible for wasting such vast amounts of money are the people that should really be held to task. That though we all know is unlikely to ever happen. I know a few Pompey fans who live in the countryside near me and we have had a few discussions over first ours and then your moment of despair. Last year we were rescued when we could fall no more. I think you are still falling and harsh as it may seem I do believe that once you have reached rock bottom your club will survive. Like us you may drop further but you will be able to go to FP and watch a game knowing that at last the club is yours once more.
SFC Forever
Most pompey fans feel that we are the ones suffering for the complete incompetance and corruption by non-football people which has destroyed our club. I think the people responsible (who are now long gone) should be punished not the club!
Same old, same old, been dragging on for over a year now, I think you will find us fans "bleating" over the fact there is no light at the end of the tunnel, our club was badly run, not our fault, our club has been stripped to the bones, not our fault, we have been left with no legacy of the over spending (beside the debt) at least your lot got a ground out of your period of free spending, what we are griping about is the fact we are stuck in limbo for another couple of months, another transfer window will pass with only the out door open, not a lot to be cheery about is it?
moley2 it always has been the fan that suffers. In the same way as all the fans before you in the same mess. A fan can't walk away but he/she has to stay to try help support whatever is left. That is the way it has always been and only today you will see an article on here about our chairman arguing the case for better distribution of the Multi-millions now coming into the game, but only going to those allowed by the big boys.
SFC Forever
Apart from clubs being badly run, I think alot of blame can be put on the TV companies (Sky) to mention no names! I know you can argue that if your receiving all this money you need to manage it properly, but it has also had a massive knock on effect to any team outside of the Premier league. It has also attracted alot of less than respectable figures into ownership who's usual business is nothing to do with football, just to make some quick cash. We now know longer just have football anymore as all the top players have their lives splashed all over the papers. I don't want to know how they spend their millions or who they've cheated on, I just want to watch FOOTBALL!
More clubs have gone to the wall since the great increase in money coming into the game. That has to tell these idiots at the top that something is wrong but it doesn't. It even looks as though our pride and joy is not the number one league in the world any more. I have said before and will repeat that it is time to reclaim our game but individuals have no power.
SFC Forever
Very true SFC. The trouble is we all want to watch football which makes a boycot hard to do. If fans didn't turn up and no merchandise was bought then theirs no way any club could survive. I think they have it right in Spain in which the fans own 51% of the clubs (May not be the same in all clubs, but I'm sure I've heard it somewhere). If this was the case in England then atleast we would have the chance to safeguard our clubs from fly-by-night owners and corrupt business men who have absolutely no interest in football whatsoever.
Moley - I understand what your saying completely, its the fault of the owners who were running the club rather than the actual people who paid for merchandise and match tickets, but the same applies to every single football club that has ever entered admin, its never the fans 'actual' fault. But despite that fact, every football club has indeed still faced those punishments and got on with it. Why is it so difficult for Pompey fans to accept that it is justice (however difficult and painful that may be). . Pompeysloth - you say the fans are being treated unfairly, personally I believe you are very lucky, with the situation you are in any other business would have folded some time ago (before our match even), and this article is aimed at that 'its unfair' claim, because at the end of the day its a miracle that you have escaped after breaking so many rules. . Paultsmouth - a ground out of our free spending? we went down simply because of bad planning, we built a stadium instead of spending heavily on players whilst having a small stadium, but we made business decisions too. Difference is we had some sort of business plan, your owners clearly didn't have the slightest clue. . To clear one final thing up, I don't 'Hate' Portsmouth F.C. or its fans who the majority are decent people, but this claim that everyone is against them? perhaps some Pompey fans should see what clubs in leagues 1 and 2 go through for decades at a time. . Regards, Red army comrade - Vital Southampton editor and author of this article
Red army comrade
I actually believe that us fans are sometimes the most vulnerable and gullible people I know. Win, lose or draw we go to a game ready sing and dance as we cheer on the millionaires we have playing for us. All they do if your club gets into trouble is, Change clubs. We all have the few who hate everybody, why because my shirt isn't the same colour. Fans suffer and we do it year after year after year. That is why we grab for the glory when it happens because we know it won't last forever. The moneymen know that they have a captive audience so to speak and take advantage.
SFC Forever
As usual stain your article is ill thought out, HMRC are not interested in Portsmouth per se; they are after football in general. You also miss glaring some glaring points: HMRC gave not proved they are in a position of having 25% more of the debt, HMRC don't like the football creditors first rule. As for your 20p in the pound comment the average settlement is 15p and palace settled on 1p. The fact is they want to use Portsmouth as a case to prove clubs like scum who couldn't break even shouldn't exist.
Cricket anyone? LOL!
Daish & RAC what a great advert for birth control.
Russelm - if they are hunting down football in general by targeting a 'Premiership' side, or formerly in your case over football clubs having little respect for the taxman, that is good for football... Premiership clubs have spent well beyond they're means in recent years, hell you guys spent over 100 million on players and winning trophies like the FA cup, getting into Europe all with a 20,000 seater stadium, if HMRC are going after football and making an example of an overspending top flight club in the process? perhaps that will wake up the others? . We made mistakes and 'got away with it', difference is that we failed through getting a stadium, one that we needed to sustain the future of the club and ironically was one of the key reasons we are around today. But I never remember feeling like a victim, because the rules were the rules and my club had broken them. . Rules are rules, you were a top flight club who were part of the rotten scoundrels.
Red army comrade
Moley - I think this could end up being a case of forum cricket!
Red army comrade
LOL, I as a fan feel cheated because I have no control of how the club I support is run. I know we should be punished for how the club has been run but still feel the wrong people are being punished which has happened at many other clubs. There needs to be a strict checking system by the leagues which does not allow overspending beyond the clubs means. Until this is done I'm sure Portsmouth will not be the last club to go through the s**t that we're going through now!
Why does it have to always be a Pompey fan that starts badmouthing us because we 'got away with it'. I don't know if you noticed but after admin we dropped two leagues and nearly died. russellm by refusing to accept that your club deserves to be in this mess you are so so blinkered. Last year when it was us you were one of those laughing at our plight, I believe. We are not laughing. I would be as happy as Larry if it was possible to take your previous owners/managers etcetera by the neck and wring some of the dosh out of them. They are going to get away with it as is always the case. You are the same as millions of fans across the world lumbered. Once you accept that through no fault of your own you are scuppered you can look for ways out of your mess. We were lucky and hopefully you will be too. That does not make either of us right. We lost other people money and some couldn't afford it. We are all the same in the end. Prisoners of the beautiful game that we love.
SFC Forever
Must disappear for a minute as my 4yo has just woken and her indoors is soundo. Moley that is exactly how I felt last year.
SFC Forever
I think for alot of fans after 7 years in the Premier the prospect of hitting league 2 is scary. I for one knowing our situation just hopes we have a team to support whatever league, from which we are able to build on. Yeah we won a FA Cupin 2008 which not many can say, but my god didn't that turn out to be a poisened chalice!
Moley - The aim of the article was to look at whether you guys really have reason to be victims, and with the way your owners have treated you, maybe so. But you look at clubs like Chester, league 2 strugglers for years but their fans kept the faith in the local team, and after years of history they are now gone. I've been to many league 1 away days and I can tell you now that these clubs are grateful just to be alive. You guys have had years of success and are still in the championship, you have had the most lenient of points deductions and when you look at the size of debts compared to clubs that have gone to the wall? I hope that your clubs fans gain a sense of humility and respect for those little clubs who fought to survive whilst your own club spent millions.
Red army comrade
Didn't you read my last post Red Army Comrade?
That last post was in response to your other post a few posts back (If that sounds right!), but just took a read and nice to see a blues fan who's willing to be more open about the situation and see things from the bigger picture.
Red army comrade
The bigger picture is football in general and I want more Pompey-Scum(sorry Southampton) matches to happen in the future. The prospect of not even having a team scares me as for non-football followers, it really does mean alot! It's a weird sense of belonging and involves a complete rollacoaster of emotions, so much so it can affect your every day life (If your as passionate in football as I am). I think all football fans want is to support a team and not worry about anthing else!
I would like to see Saint's vs Skates (couldn't help it :D) every year in the same division, rivalry is fantastic and they are always great spectacles. I go to most home games and lots of away matches and I totally agree with where your coming from. It is a shame that clubs have been lost and it will probably take more punishment to rid football of commercialism, I used to hate football but 1 match at SMS helped me 'understand the hype. With that In mind I don't hope you go out of business, relegation? perhaps but certainly not going out of business altogether. I mean we would have to rival with BRIGHTON! of course I want the Saint's to be the 'bigger' team (which we are :D)... I just think that a few years of languishing in the football league would be somewhat justified... and probably more beneficial than not.
Red army comrade
Maybe but we've been there before, I just hope my team survives and can still watch games where we beat you 4-1, lol. Which match made you catch the bug and when?
Pomeyhussler you may have noticed that I have removed your stupid childish and blatantly offensive remark from this list of comments. To say such a thing is a criminal act which I will not allow on this board. If you have something to say by all means say it but please do it without rude, vulgar or obscenely lewd comments. Agree or not with the article you do neither yourself or your club's fans any good with such remarks.
SFC Forever
When did he comment?
One of the first games for me was at the Dell when we played Man Utd with a certain George Best starting out on his career. We led 2-0 at half-time but George did what he could do and turned the game on it's head. I was heart broken and for me that was when my dad said he knew I had the bug. The date was Jan 4th 1964 and we lost 3-2.
SFC Forever
well looks like i got here way to late (again) but yea agree with pretty much everything moley has said. 1 thing i will add on adding stricter rules in our leagues is that i actually think it should go a lot further than most. In my opinion clubs should be capped at a certain amount of there total income and wages should be capped globally, cause with clubs like Man city wages are just ridiculous even by footballs standards, no-one deserves to be getting 160k a friggin week especially for kicking a damn ball around. actually i think thats probably the best thing about the the EPL falling from grace (which is it with the likes of Ronaldo and now Fabregas set to leave) is that hopefully all the stupid big money will leave and it'll mean we can start concentrating on ENGLISH talent again. hell i would love for a rule saying all teams must include maybe 4 or 5 English players then hopefully we won't have to watch such dire displays in the national game lol.
That's very specific. I'm no way near that old, lol.
Moley2 inbetween Red army comrade and the one you had posted before my telling ph I have removed his comment..
SFC Forever
Hear hear Pompeym@ where have you been 2nite?
ahh not too late then, thats unusual lol. i've just been out with a couple of friends mate drowning my sorrows ;D
Pompeym@ i agree and think plans are afoot with that Platini chap bringing in rules for year after next. Think that is when they start. Personally I think they have to go farther and need to be much stricter with the whole great big picture. As always it is us fans that ultimately pay the price for the mismanagement of our clubs' monies. Too many people have become embroiled in the mismanagement of funds in several clubs as they chase the treasure chest at the end of the rainbow. There has to be stricter control of money spent, and it has to be accountable and within limits set by authority. However the cap is set it has to be fair and it has to include a better spread of the crown jewels handed out by tv companies. I am desperate to see us play a reasonably good Pompey side and for us to put the last two games to bed. Preferably in good spirit and without a media onslaught telling us all how much we hate each other. Christ we are talking about a game of bloody football. And before anybody comments. I am not a believer in everything Bill Shankley once said. My family comes first and Saints are a close second.
SFC Forever
p.s great to see the sites picking up SFC great job
yea i agree SFC, especailly about playing each other on an even ground again, cause as much as i loved the last 2 games (and i really did :P hehe) they weren't exactly fair where they, and i remember how bad it is when your on the other end of those games, but IF we stay up (a really big if atm lol) then i do believe we will see these games, i just hope we don't go down as you go up, cause that would really pi$$ me off lol. 1 thing with TV money i still think the EPL should receive a large proportion of it purely because there the games that are being shown, (although i would love for them to show at the very least the championship but that ain't gonna happen) i defiantly agree it needs to be spread out more, i think if you do that and it would even out the huge gap so much
Glad to see you pop over. It is great when two such heated rivals can openly discuss the failings of our clubs and the management without having to draw swords. I know how hard it is for us all to be friends but i do have some blues living near me and we have been in each others houses. Mind two of them refuse to go into my 6yo boys room which has just about everything possible in saints colours. The pain that your fans are going through brings back the feelings that we had only just over a year ago. God it still hurts and yeah I hate with a vengeance that man lowe. Though he was the scapegoat we picked as our focus of hate. There were others that helped him bring us to our knees. We will soon do another article on the damage that the possible riches of Sky money are doing to football in general.
SFC Forever
They have volunteered to paint the room for him though.
SFC Forever
Pompey blue I may suggest, lol.!
Bloody hell what a debate .. too much to catch up on but .. I will add this ... Do I feel I am a victim hell no .. what happened had happened and we get on with it the best we can ... Nobody likes the punishment but you have to do ya bird I suppose.. One thing though RAC to label 'all' Pompey fans are bleating moaners is somewhat purile.. fans are a cross section of a community and from all walks of life .. some will moan some will not .. don't tar us all with the same brush eh.. otherwise I might start thinking all scummers resemble that blubbing yellow haired bloke at your cup final a few years back .. wasn't you was it ;) ..
PS .. I echo the thoughts of others that it's good to see a healthy debate up and running on Vital Scum ,, keep plugging away fellas (even if it is Pompey centric..)
How did you guess. Pompey are likely to be made to suffer for longer but sooner or later it has to come to an end. Once you hit bottom you only have one way to go. I would think you will start as we did last season with half a squad of players and some who don't deserve to be so called. We had to bring in loanies and emergency buys almost just to clear the minus points. How Lowe could seriously play a team of boys against some of the teams we faced before we went into admin I will never know.
SFC Forever
Nice one Chix. I am always on the lookout for a good story. Sometimes it will upset some but they are the ones that seem to bring the posters out of the woodwork. As for yellow hair, maybe he is one of the twelve who have gone away for a little holiday. I have enjoyed watching this thread grow and apart from one have seen a lot of sensible debate. Very heartening I can tell you.
SFC Forever
And "how did you guess" was in reply to your question moley2.
SFC Forever
haha brilliant, see i've never been 1 to hate the red half of hampshire, hell alot of my friends support you guys but its the few, from both sides, that give both sets of supports a bad name to other but hey your never gonna get rid of all the idiots but its good to see a few go on holiday as you put it lol. really is a shame this can't happen more often cause this is what makes football so great for me, the debate and just taking the pi$$ out of friends when ya beat em, no mallous or hatred just having a laugh. anyone else thing it'd be a great idea to get as many supporters together at the next game in front of the cameras and all stand together singing etc just to show the damn media what footballs really about!
That would be like it used to be in the old Archers road stand at the Dell. Sounds like a great idea. Might have to find a different song or two to sing though. Then if only we coud tell thesame cameras to sod off before the game so they could not broadcast it. That would definitely give them something to think about.
SFC Forever
Looks like I missed a good chat last night. I agree with most of it in that yes Pompey the club deserve what they get but no the fans don,t. Fans have to suffer good times and bad and nowadays it seems like there are far more of the worst kind than the best.
As a Saints fan I was surprised to see a Pompey article on here. I feel though that apart from two who wanted to argue with just name calling we had a good discussion. Gives me hope for the future. Russell and pompey hustler lowered the tone or tried to but without success. The fact that all you boys can talk as well as that gives me the dream that maybe my little ones will be able to do what pompeym@ suggests. Get both sets of fans together for a good old sing song. Mind, i have to warn you I sound like one of them vuvuzela thingies.
It's been touched on in passing during, this mostly reasoned and civil discussion, about the Premiership and Football League's need to restructure the finances of the game. What seems particularly bizarre to me is the Premiership whilst dishing out a meaningless punishment to clubs who enter administration have doubled the parachute payments to relegated clubs, thus underwriting debts run-up whilst the clubs were in the top division. If the Premiership wish to encourage financial responsibility in future they should halve the parachute payments and distribute the revenues from TV more evenly amongst the 4 divisions. If anyone is to blame for the chronic financial malaise that English Football finds itself's the BIG clubs and The Premiership itself. Punishment for poor housekeeping and failure on the pitch...48 million.
mox888 I could not agree more. I am planning to do an article on that subject but how, where and when is putting me into a massive quandary. Clubs like West Brom will be going up and down on a regular basis because the rest of the CCC sides will be unable to compete financially with them. Once a club can hit the heights of the Premier League it will have a fantastic edge over the clubs less fortunate. All ideas welcomed.
SFC Forever
mox888 I could not agree more. I am planning to do an article on that subject but how, where and when is putting me into a massive quandary. Clubs like West Brom will be going up and down on a regular basis because the rest of the CCC sides will be unable to compete financially with them. Once a club can hit the heights of the Premier League it will have a fantastic edge over the clubs less fortunate. All ideas welcomed.
SFC Forever
Restricting the use of foreign players would be a good start, then they can start weeding out foreign owners, it hasn't done us much good, mind you neither did any English ones! That should even things up a bit. As for feeling like a victim, it depends from which angle, as a club no, we were mismanaged and those responsible should pay the price, as ever with this situation though they do not and the club does. Whilst these are the rules we must just accept it and move on. As fans, yes we are victims, victims of a bunch of crooks who have walked away having got away with it but, again, we have to accept that and move on. There is absolutely no point in ruining your life by letting it eat you up. We will continue to support our team whatever league we end up in, personally I have no desire to go back into the Premiership any time soon, it's purely there to make the big clubs bigger and boy don't they bleat when things don't go their way. The likes of us and you are better off in the Championship or even league one, watch real football and put two fingers up to our so called betters.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger as they say and I think we will emerge stronger, the fans that is. As an aside regarding things like this happenning again maybe the Premiership clubs should stump up an indemnity, proprtional to turnover, to cover such events and to stop serial offenders once bailed out the club concerned should suffer relegation as a matter of course and a ban on promotion for two seasons. Just an idea.
I've just check on the ground capacity for Blackpool...9,650. So how do you run a football club as a sustainable business with that sized ground. Of course the club will tell you that TV revenues are earned income but are they really?? These revenues are drip fed to clubs and for Blackpool or any other club with a small income from "bums on seats" means they will have to borrow heavily on the promise of TV income to stand any chance of survival for one season alone. Now that everyone knows the minimum return from a season in the Premiership is 48 (all be it over 4 years) and a worse case scenario of administration that pays 5% to creditors, they can run up debts of 200 million and still exit administration with a CVA and no penalties. Someone explain to me how that is encouraging financial prudence in a recession. By that token some might argue that Pompey's debt was in fact sustainable ;+)
Chix - I'm glad to say that I wasn't the yellow haired bloke at the cup final! but I see where your coming from, there are fans of every club from every background and there are good and bad people from all sides (though we don't have anyone like that Westwood, what the hell is wrong with him? :D), but a lot of Pompey fans seem to criticise HMRC and the Premier League and the points deductions which are things that have happened to every club. Nice to see some who accept that their club did do wrong though. Lemmi - I agree that there needs to be tougher laws on administration, because no offence to you or any other Pompey fans, but if you do find an owner now, what have you lost? you would have gone from a club fighting relegation from the Premiership to a strong championship side fighting for promotion, with an FA cup and European football in the process, which I'm sure has added to your 'brand'. It seems like a small loss for a club that has spent so much and gained those successes through money that wasn't there? so a relegation and ban on promotion would really make clubs think before they risk so much money. Because Administration at the moment just looks like an easy way to not honour your debts.
Red army comrade
How can a club with gates of 20,000 pay their players what Pompey were paying and not be in enormous debt. Campbell and James were reputed to be on 50,000 per week. It just does not add up. When Saints were in the Premiership there was an upper limit of wages of 16,000 being paid at the time to James Beattie. Saints did not surpass that. Even with gates of about 25,000 we were still making a loss. I think the blame lies solely on the shoulders of Peter Storrie who must hve known they could not carry on paying the wages on 20,000 gate money. He even had the audacity to try to cling on as a PAID consultant when things went belly up.
Mox888 - I see your point regarding Blackpool, other than TV revenue there is little other means of making large amounts of money. They will probably sell out their 12,555 seater stadium with no worries in the Premiership, and it doesn't look like they have a large fanbase. With that said though, the potential fanbase is there, Blackpool and the surrounding areas could support a big football club, and with promotion to the biggest league in Europe they could well increase their crowds. The best way they could survive would be to invest in championship players and not spend huge amounts to avoid relegation (like Hull did to they're demise), get relegated and gain the parachute payments, then look at building a new stadium and build a new infastructure to support the new fan base. But that takes many years and most chairmen aren't prepared to do things the right way. I guess if the TV revenue gap is so much different between both divisions then it seems like a more viable option to just spend and hope. If you build a new stadium and you run into debt, just go into admin or if you have overspent on players... just pay 20% and your back where you started.
Red army comrade
Lemmi I think that foreign owners who come in with their own money can be a good thing. Others who have to borrow heavily should be refused entry carte blanch. Blackpool have done a fantastic job to get where they are. I think that I saw somewhere that they will be using most of their windfall to improve their ground capacity. To me that seems a realistic attitude. My next question is one that I have no straight answer to. Is there enough feeling amongst our two clubs sets of fans for a regular pre-season game? Could we have a yearly pride of the south competion with maybe You, Us Brighton and Bournemouth in a pre-season tournament. Guarenteed full house at yours or ours and probably at Bournemouth. Brighton too at the Withdean I would expect. Though for profit I would recommend using the two biggest grounds. Play more against each other and mayb we would et less bad feeling.
SFC Forever
SFC, If you were to do that, add Eastleigh and Havant to the mix.. smaller south coast clubs who would benefit hugely from the money. Though there is one downside to it AKA the rivalry itself. The police costs are relatively large for Portsmouth Southampton games, and the police would never wholeheartedly agree with a pre season friendly because of the trouble at South Coast derbies, the majority of both fans keep things to a banter level but some are more than happy to smash some heads. Therefore unfortunately it could never happen in this climate.
Red army comrade
I may be an old softy but I prefer to think that after a few such games and knowing that there would be more the bitterness and hostility could slowly dissipate. I am sure that most on both sides of the fence would love to be able to go back to the days where we could safely stand in the ground shoulder to shoulder without trouble. I know of parents who refuse to go to our meetings because of the intensity. Police will always charge as much as they can for these events. That goes without saying, but what if the two sets of fans did what pompeym@ suggested. How cool would it be for large friendly sections of fans on both sides to meet up before a game and then march to the stadium together in a show of tolerance towards each other. Pie in the sky I know but if it helped ease the anger/hostility by only 10% it would be worth the trouble.
SFC Forever
The concept is fantastic, but its a bit like world peace, its a great idea but not so easy to do. There are people brought up to physically hate Portsmouth and vice versa and it would take time to build those bridges. Rivalry and banter is fantastic and things like waving money at Pompey fans as they arrive or them chanting about us being in league 1... its all part of it. If you keep those concepts but weed out the violence then the rivalry would be fantastic. But for those first few matches you would witness some large incidents most definitely.
Red army comrade
I tend to agree with you there but am left wondering whether it would still be worth trying. I know that I will love to take my kids to one of these games as the atmosphere is so thick you can almost see it like a pea soup. If we were to meet more frequently hopefully the pressure to win would be less intense even though just as imortant to each set of fans.
I have been to one South coast derby, and it was the most recent one.. the atmosphere is nothing like any league game, its electrifying and you can hardly hear yourself think. If the police were to be tough on those who cause trouble and ban them right at the start you would gradually weed out the minority of trouble makers... and the police presence would slowly decrease with it. Maybe some day.
Red army comrade
I was there as well and was totally convinced we would win in the first half as we ran the show. There was a great atmosphere all day and only the wrong result dulled the experience a touch.
David James was the real decider, and I think the result didn't really match how well we really played, as a league 1 team against a Premiership team I think we really showed our ability and put up a great fight, 4-1 isn't the most flattering of results but I'm proud of the fact that we didn't show ourselves up. PS, 70 POST MARK PASSED!!
Red army comrade
I agree on all counts and for long parts of the game we were easily as good if not dictaing. We played well with a team missing cup tied players and did well. Noticed how silent pompey fans were at first when we looked as though we were going to do it. Good day though and even the loss didn't spoil that completely.
The history books say we lost 4-1 and for me that hurts. I saw us outplay the blues for long parts of the game but two of the saves James made in the first half were the difference for me between us winning easily and ending up as we did losing. Great day out though I have to admit and one I hope we can have again soon..
SFC Forever

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